. >> rose: did the obama health-care reform address that? >> i think it made actually the economics a little bit worse, but it moved us more in a social direction. >> rose: made access better and economics worse. >> that's correct. and we haven't really dealt with the economics. >> rose: it really only dealt with access. >> that's right. and lastly on the medicaid front because it is really driven to indigent families, very complicated medical issues, i would leave that one to experts. it's not the biggest portion of the cost. it's medicare and how it relates. and then secondly social security. also in medicare, i would be, for one for raising medicare tax, i have no problem with that. this is, we're talking about, again, something that is part of the fabric of who we are as americans. and you can't just take what's good and not feel accountable and responsible for paying for it. and i think that goes with it. >> rose: it was said at the time of passage and argued by the obama administration that the health-care reform put forward by him was